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	<description>Everything and nothing</description>
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		<title>By: Loki</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/441#comment-2544</link>
		<dc:creator>Loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does?


Hm.




That's disturbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does?</p>
<p>Hm.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s disturbing.</p>
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		<title>By: Terje Phlegmont Mendoza</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/441#comment-2543</link>
		<dc:creator>Terje Phlegmont Mendoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 19:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I’m only responding to your claim that we “get all the benefits of a EU membership” by being in the EEC."

Ugh, silly me. What a stupid thing to claim. :&#124;

Ritual suicide suddenly sounds like a good idea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m only responding to your claim that we “get all the benefits of a EU membership” by being in the EEC.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ugh, silly me. What a stupid thing to claim. <img src='http://natsecorma.net/terje/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':|' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ritual suicide suddenly sounds like a good idea&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Loki</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/441#comment-2540</link>
		<dc:creator>Loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 14:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually wrote "childrenS"?!


I'll go perform the appropriate ritual suicide now.


Or, no, wait, I'm not deservign of rituals, I'll just end it.



CHILDRENS. O.o *shudders*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually wrote &#8220;childrenS&#8221;?!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll go perform the appropriate ritual suicide now.</p>
<p>Or, no, wait, I&#8217;m not deservign of rituals, I&#8217;ll just end it.</p>
<p>CHILDRENS. O.o *shudders*</p>
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		<title>By: Ole</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/441#comment-2539</link>
		<dc:creator>Ole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 13:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terje, Terje, I'm not saying we should get those things. I'm only responding to your claim that we "get all the benefits of a EU membership" by being in the EEC. Which is obviously false, unless you want to argue that the other benefits aren't benefits because we would lose our sovereignity over them, but that is a rather stupid (if still marginally valid) point, if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terje, Terje, I&#8217;m not saying we should get those things. I&#8217;m only responding to your claim that we &#8220;get all the benefits of a EU membership&#8221; by being in the EEC. Which is obviously false, unless you want to argue that the other benefits aren&#8217;t benefits because we would lose our sovereignity over them, but that is a rather stupid (if still marginally valid) point, if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: Terje Phlegmont Mendoza</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/441#comment-2534</link>
		<dc:creator>Terje Phlegmont Mendoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 22:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"We only get access to the market, nothing more."

Call me simple, but I don't think access to the European market is a small thing. For example, according to &lt;a href="http://ssb.no/aarbok/tab/tab-320.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;SSB&lt;/a&gt; the Norwegian exports to the EU in 2004 alone was worth more than 64.000 million USD, if I still know how to read statistics.

"We don’t get farming subsidies, we don’t get money to help further cultural projects, we don’t get money to build roads that hold an acceptable standard."

And why the fuck should we? We're the richest goddamn country in the world, for chrissakes! Also, it's called a "free trade agreement"; if we want the benefits of a political union, we should enter into one. Personally, I'm rather fond of our sovereignty -- the price we'd have to pay for such "benefits" as the ones you describe above -- and I'm a little too ambivalent towards the EU to be entirely comfortable with that.

Besides, the agriculture subsidies are mainly three to keep the French happy. :P

"The ones that do shoot up a lot of useless firework, have parades to show off their military’s latest tanks, and planes flying in formations. We have childrens going through the streets waving flags and blowing whistles."

One of my flatmates used that exact same argument earlier today, when one of my other flatmates said he disliked May 17. And it's a good point, I think. Much better to parade our children than our guns, for the children are the future, and frankly, our guns probably ain't gonna scare anyone no matter how much we parade them back and forth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We only get access to the market, nothing more.&#8221;</p>
<p>Call me simple, but I don&#8217;t think access to the European market is a small thing. For example, according to <a href="http://ssb.no/aarbok/tab/tab-320.html" rel="nofollow">SSB</a> the Norwegian exports to the EU in 2004 alone was worth more than 64.000 million USD, if I still know how to read statistics.</p>
<p>&#8220;We don’t get farming subsidies, we don’t get money to help further cultural projects, we don’t get money to build roads that hold an acceptable standard.&#8221;</p>
<p>And why the fuck should we? We&#8217;re the richest goddamn country in the world, for chrissakes! Also, it&#8217;s called a &#8220;free trade agreement&#8221;; if we want the benefits of a political union, we should enter into one. Personally, I&#8217;m rather fond of our sovereignty &#8212; the price we&#8217;d have to pay for such &#8220;benefits&#8221; as the ones you describe above &#8212; and I&#8217;m a little too ambivalent towards the EU to be entirely comfortable with that.</p>
<p>Besides, the agriculture subsidies are mainly three to keep the French happy. <img src='http://natsecorma.net/terje/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;The ones that do shoot up a lot of useless firework, have parades to show off their military’s latest tanks, and planes flying in formations. We have childrens going through the streets waving flags and blowing whistles.&#8221;</p>
<p>One of my flatmates used that exact same argument earlier today, when one of my other flatmates said he disliked May 17. And it&#8217;s a good point, I think. Much better to parade our children than our guns, for the children are the future, and frankly, our guns probably ain&#8217;t gonna scare anyone no matter how much we parade them back and forth.</p>
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		<title>By: Loki</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/441#comment-2523</link>
		<dc:creator>Loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 15:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How your local community celebrates the 17th of May, Lotta, is completely and utterly irrelevant for whether or not you celebrate it and should also be irrelevant for _how_ you celebrate it if you dislike their way of doing so.

And, actually, I think we should be very proud of the 17th of May as it exists today. There's not a lot of other nations that both celebrate a national holiday and do it in such a peaceful and, well, I actually think you can also call it admirable, way. The ones that do shoot up a lot of useless firework, have parades to show off their military's latest tanks, and planes flying in formations. We have childrens going through the streets waving flags and blowing whistles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How your local community celebrates the 17th of May, Lotta, is completely and utterly irrelevant for whether or not you celebrate it and should also be irrelevant for _how_ you celebrate it if you dislike their way of doing so.</p>
<p>And, actually, I think we should be very proud of the 17th of May as it exists today. There&#8217;s not a lot of other nations that both celebrate a national holiday and do it in such a peaceful and, well, I actually think you can also call it admirable, way. The ones that do shoot up a lot of useless firework, have parades to show off their military&#8217;s latest tanks, and planes flying in formations. We have childrens going through the streets waving flags and blowing whistles.</p>
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		<title>By: Ole</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/441#comment-2522</link>
		<dc:creator>Ole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 13:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck, I misspelled "paid" as "payed" constantly through that post, and noticed it the moment I posted it. I am ashamed, truly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck, I misspelled &#8220;paid&#8221; as &#8220;payed&#8221; constantly through that post, and noticed it the moment I posted it. I am ashamed, truly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ole</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/441#comment-2521</link>
		<dc:creator>Ole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 13:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terje, we don't get ALL the advantages of full membership. We only get access to the market, nothing more. We don't get farming subsidies, we don't get money to help further cultural projects, we don't get money to build roads that hold an acceptable standard. Norway have, according to Wikipedia, paid 1167 MILLION € since 2002 to get access to the free market. That's over 200 million € a year. I can't manage to find out how much Bulgaria pays for it's EU-membership, but Britain payed 12 million £ (more or less 16 million €) to the EU in 2003, and got back over half of that sum. I doubt Bulgaria, the cheap bastards, payed as much as 10 million €, and they almost assuredly got more than 10 million € from the EU to help build up the infrastructure.

(Well, I have to admit that the Wiki-article was fuzzy, it might have been that Norway, Luxembourg and Iceland together had payed 1167 million €, but from the comments in the article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area) I interpreted it as just Norway.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terje, we don&#8217;t get ALL the advantages of full membership. We only get access to the market, nothing more. We don&#8217;t get farming subsidies, we don&#8217;t get money to help further cultural projects, we don&#8217;t get money to build roads that hold an acceptable standard. Norway have, according to Wikipedia, paid 1167 MILLION € since 2002 to get access to the free market. That&#8217;s over 200 million € a year. I can&#8217;t manage to find out how much Bulgaria pays for it&#8217;s EU-membership, but Britain payed 12 million £ (more or less 16 million €) to the EU in 2003, and got back over half of that sum. I doubt Bulgaria, the cheap bastards, payed as much as 10 million €, and they almost assuredly got more than 10 million € from the EU to help build up the infrastructure.</p>
<p>(Well, I have to admit that the Wiki-article was fuzzy, it might have been that Norway, Luxembourg and Iceland together had payed 1167 million €, but from the comments in the article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area) I interpreted it as just Norway.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lotta</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/441#comment-2520</link>
		<dc:creator>Lotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 12:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting words in my mouth, are we? :P

I would very much like to celebrate the fact that I'm living in a nation with democracy and high living-standards. In fact, I do it every day - as I celebrate football every day as well. I do not, however, see the point in taking a whole day off so that people can empty out all their pompous, patriotic "we're the best in the world" crap. I feel ashamed of the 17th as it exists today, 'cause it could be a good day, and for some, it probably is. Where I live, the whole thing comes off with a grand fart-smelling burp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting words in my mouth, are we? <img src='http://natsecorma.net/terje/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I would very much like to celebrate the fact that I&#8217;m living in a nation with democracy and high living-standards. In fact, I do it every day - as I celebrate football every day as well. I do not, however, see the point in taking a whole day off so that people can empty out all their pompous, patriotic &#8220;we&#8217;re the best in the world&#8221; crap. I feel ashamed of the 17th as it exists today, &#8217;cause it could be a good day, and for some, it probably is. Where I live, the whole thing comes off with a grand fart-smelling burp.</p>
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		<title>By: Loki</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/441#comment-2519</link>
		<dc:creator>Loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 11:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't say you did, you just chose to use your fascination for soccer as an example of something you'd rather celebrate than the fact that you live on one of (if not the most) successful democratic nation-state in the world in terms of peace and living-standards. Which I reacted to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say you did, you just chose to use your fascination for soccer as an example of something you&#8217;d rather celebrate than the fact that you live on one of (if not the most) successful democratic nation-state in the world in terms of peace and living-standards. Which I reacted to.</p>
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