Well, there’s a mandatory ex.fac. course worth 7,5. I guess they counted that one without mentioning it… :\

“Also, how can two 15-points-courses make up one and a half term? O.o”

Ex.phil.+Ex.fac.+15 points of history = 30 points, or one term. And 15 points makes another half term.

Confusion aside, though, you system seems so much better. And I think having one course on Ec.His. and one on GP Politics that are each as big as the recent history course is way more sensible than shoving all three into one 15-point course.

Here, they threw introduction to pre-modern history (i.e. before 1750) at new students, then made them take the post-1750 course — both of which were worth 15 points. That’s be the first one and an half terms. Addtionally, I believe Methodology of History (7,5), Economic History after 1800 (15) and Great Power Politics after 1900 (15) were mandatory — at least those two last ones were for me, but I wasn’t enrolled on the ordinary history programme.

I guess that what they’ve done now is to split this up, giving pre-1550 the first term… ah, screw that, I went over to NTNU’s pages to find out, and:

“Studieretning historie har fire obligatoriske emner, Antikkens og middelalderens historie til ca. 1550 (15 sp), Oversikt over tidlig nytids historie ca. 1550-1850 (15 sp), Moderne historie etter ca. 1850 (15 sp) og Innføring i historisk teori og metode (7,5 sp). De resterende 30 studiepoengene velger du blant emner tilbudt på fordypningsnivå.”
http://www.ntnu.no/studier/historie/historie/oppbygning

Doesn’t sound like much to me, but we do have some 7,5 courses, and not only 15′ers…

In Bergen, this is the (ideal) system for mellomfag in History:

First term:
* 15 points “Oversyn over historie etter 1750″ (very heavy focus on the European bit though. Even the US is frigtheningly overlooked)

* 15 points specializing in any of between cirka three and six different topics of Recent (i.e. after 1750) History. Examples from recent years are “Nationalisme”, “Arbeidslivshistorie”, “Maritim historie”, “Oversyn over USAs historie” (that one’s starting this year, curses upon them, I’d have love to take that instead of Nationalism), “Samfunnets utskudd - fengsel og straffearbeid i England og Skandinavia dei siste to hundre aar” and “Oversyn over moderne Midtaustenshistorie”. Etc, etc. In my mind, very boring options - they’d never offer a course on the French Revolution, Napoleon, the Crimean War or the American Civil Wars, for instance.

Second term:
* 15 points “Oversyn historie foer 1750″. A third of the course is about Ancient Greece and the Roman Empire, the rest is 90% the European Middle-Ages. A tiny little bit on each of ancient Egypt/Sumeria, China, Byzantium and the Monguls is about all we got of non-Eurocentric stuff.

* 15 points specializing in any of between cirka three and six different topics of Ancient(i.e. before 1750) History. Examples from recent years are
“Religion and politics in the Ancient world”, “The Roman Republic”, “Global history 1350-17500″, “Urbanization in the Middle-Ages”, “Globalization in the Ancient world”, etc, etc. A lot of very interesting stuff here, but the limit to only choosing one of them due to the massive 15 points size of them all is saddening.

Third term:
* 15 points specialization (chosen from any one of the two specialization-groups mentioned above as long as it’s not a topic you took in the first or second term) where you write a bachelor’s thesis and are allowed to exchange some of the curriculum

* 15 points specialization (chosen from one or two offers they give every term - varying from very boring stuff to very interesting stuff, but always rather narrow topics. Last fall it was Danish and Norwegian involvement in the Slave Trade, for instance) with a written exam.

Now, this means, you have all the overview stuffed into TWO courses, and then you have FOUR gargantuan specialization-courses forced onto you. As I gather, in Kristiansand, they had 60 points worth of overview-courses, and then 30 points of (four, I think) smaller courses for specialization. Which seems so much smarter to me.

Anyhoo, they used to have that “Before 1750″ thing here, too, along with one from 1750 up ’till today, and it’s these that I have. They’ve split them up now, though, into three 15 poiners, one up ’till 1550, one from 1550 to 1850, and one from 1850 to today. I feel I want that second in the row, there, as it covers a period that’s really too eventful for me to have much control over…

What Loki said. Also, I’m gonna try and use it to become an archaeologist, as I don’t much fancy teaching; I loathe high school kids, you see. And children of lower education institutions even more.

“At least you get to take more of them and more specialized ones than I get in Bergen where all the coursers on HF are 15 points each.”

Yeah. at least that’s something.

“And yeah, you totally should’ve taken more sooner.”

A huge “I know”. Especially as NTNU recently started limiting the number of students allowed to take their courses in every field of study, as well as setting enrollment in a relevant study program as a prerequisite for taking a lot of courses. (Or so it seems, anyway. Not really a big problem for me, though, as I’m mostly interested in history, and would get access to those courses through my social studies programme, anyway.)

“That medieval-course looks NICE.”

Indeed it does; I’ve been wanting to take it since I got an e-mail from the guy who started the course, back when he first started it, where he talked rather enthusiastically of it. I’ve heard people claim it’s boring, but people are usually morons, so I’ve ignored this.

By the way, I found a couple alternatives more today. One was a course focusing on the role of technology in world politics and development since the 15th century ( http://www.ntnu.no/portal/page/portal/ntnuen/subject_area_courses?selectedItemId=31012&rootItemId=29569&emnekode=HIST2515 ), which unfortunately crached with the Linguistics course, I think. Another course revolved around the dynamics between music and politics in the Middle Ages ( http://www.ntnu.no/portal/page/portal/ntnuen/subject_area_courses?selectedItemId=31012&rootItemId=29569&emnekode=HIST2155 ). I’m not yet sure if I’ll bother to take the latter one, as I’m a bit unsure of how much this is of interest to me, but I think I need some more Medievel History, and this is the only one remaining to me… :\

I’m sorry to hear about your course-crashes. At least you get to take more of them and more specialized ones than I get in Bergen where all the coursers on HF are 15 points each. And yeah, you totally should’ve taken more sooner. That medieval-course looks NICE.