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	<title>Comments on: Enchanters&#8217; End Game by David Eddings</title>
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		<title>By: Loki</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/666#comment-5321</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed on the most part. I just did not find Althalas to be that good at all - the only thing I've liked less by him is the very first book of the Elenium. I quite liked books 2 and 3, despite his mentioned usual flaws, but book 1 was dreary beyond belief, and I still can't fathom why he couldn't just have shortened most of it down to a prologue in book 2. Aside from that one book, though, Althalas is the worst book I've read by him. It suffers from the overpowered heroes-problem to an immense extent when compared to the two Garion-series and the two Sparhawk-series. In the former, the godlike protagonists have somewhat equallizing enemies: Garion has Chamdar/Asharak when he's young and defenseless and then Torak when he gets more experienced, Pol has to at one point deal with a manipulated god (clearly more powerful than she is herself) in Issa, Silk has Brill/Kordoch, Barak has his inner issues, Belgarath has Ctuchick, Beldin has Urvon, they're all pitted against Zandramas somehow, there's the demon lords, Zedar, and most of all maybe all the political tension they have to deal with to avoid internal war among the "good-guy-countries". Plus you have very good grey-shade-characters in Drosta and Zakath. And with Sparhawk, the characters are themselves far, far less powerful (for the most part) - yes, they do enjoy constant success, but they don't have the "guaranteed to win by sheer strength of force"-stamp in the forehead the heroes of "The Redemption of Althalus" has. I also very, very much enjoyed the character of Martel who Eddings actually managed to make into something of a captivating presence - the Tamuil was far weaker than the Elenium soley due to the lack of him.

My point is, yes, Althalus shares all the main flaws AND all the main strength of Eddings' other works - but, alas, it has an additional (and, to me, dooming) one in the utter lack of threat throughout the novel. That being said, I seem to remember the prose itself as quite good for Eddings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed on the most part. I just did not find Althalas to be that good at all - the only thing I&#8217;ve liked less by him is the very first book of the Elenium. I quite liked books 2 and 3, despite his mentioned usual flaws, but book 1 was dreary beyond belief, and I still can&#8217;t fathom why he couldn&#8217;t just have shortened most of it down to a prologue in book 2. Aside from that one book, though, Althalas is the worst book I&#8217;ve read by him. It suffers from the overpowered heroes-problem to an immense extent when compared to the two Garion-series and the two Sparhawk-series. In the former, the godlike protagonists have somewhat equallizing enemies: Garion has Chamdar/Asharak when he&#8217;s young and defenseless and then Torak when he gets more experienced, Pol has to at one point deal with a manipulated god (clearly more powerful than she is herself) in Issa, Silk has Brill/Kordoch, Barak has his inner issues, Belgarath has Ctuchick, Beldin has Urvon, they&#8217;re all pitted against Zandramas somehow, there&#8217;s the demon lords, Zedar, and most of all maybe all the political tension they have to deal with to avoid internal war among the &#8220;good-guy-countries&#8221;. Plus you have very good grey-shade-characters in Drosta and Zakath. And with Sparhawk, the characters are themselves far, far less powerful (for the most part) - yes, they do enjoy constant success, but they don&#8217;t have the &#8220;guaranteed to win by sheer strength of force&#8221;-stamp in the forehead the heroes of &#8220;The Redemption of Althalus&#8221; has. I also very, very much enjoyed the character of Martel who Eddings actually managed to make into something of a captivating presence - the Tamuil was far weaker than the Elenium soley due to the lack of him.</p>
<p>My point is, yes, Althalus shares all the main flaws AND all the main strength of Eddings&#8217; other works - but, alas, it has an additional (and, to me, dooming) one in the utter lack of threat throughout the novel. That being said, I seem to remember the prose itself as quite good for Eddings.</p>
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		<title>By: cryonic</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/666#comment-5320</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like althalas the thief. Its better than most of Eddings. Very few of Eddings books have any threat whatsoever except for the end of trilogy stand off. Mostly its about hte characters meandering through life cheerily interacting with each other in a chummy way. 

Althalas is more interesting because its self contained, complete and an easy read. Its not a great Fantasy novel - but its a better than average Eddings. 

I agree that eddings plaegarises his own work mercillessly. Its his biggest fault. Still , critical as I can be I still liked all of his series. But its in a bubblegum for the eyes and soul sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like althalas the thief. Its better than most of Eddings. Very few of Eddings books have any threat whatsoever except for the end of trilogy stand off. Mostly its about hte characters meandering through life cheerily interacting with each other in a chummy way. </p>
<p>Althalas is more interesting because its self contained, complete and an easy read. Its not a great Fantasy novel - but its a better than average Eddings. </p>
<p>I agree that eddings plaegarises his own work mercillessly. Its his biggest fault. Still , critical as I can be I still liked all of his series. But its in a bubblegum for the eyes and soul sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Loki</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/666#comment-5316</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Althalas the thief is also good."

I really don't agree. The individual chapters are well enough written, but when you look at it as a whole, the book was totally devoid of any serious threat, any sense of impending doom or even impending slight problems, and the characters where (as it seems Eddings always does) reincarnations of the Belgariad-cast, switched around, making Silk's personality into Belgarion's story-function and Polgara into a goddess but otherwise keeping her the same and so on and so forth.


A lot of the same goes for the Elenium/Tamuil-series, but at least there there was some sense of an actual enemy and the cast couldn't just keep time-skipping out of any amount of threat. The reason I like the Mallorean is simply because I much prefer reading about the original cast of the Belgariad than reading about them in poorly concealed shuffled reincarnations, and I feel it by virtue of being in the same world needs less distinctiveness to feel like it adds something. I mean, the plot of the Mallorean literally builds on the Belgariad, which, despite the many similarities, I find to be far better than simply copying it like Eddings' other worlds and series' do.


As for Moon, I never meant to imply she was similar to Eddings. I just mentioned her here when I thought of her because it was his last literature-related post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Althalas the thief is also good.&#8221;</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t agree. The individual chapters are well enough written, but when you look at it as a whole, the book was totally devoid of any serious threat, any sense of impending doom or even impending slight problems, and the characters where (as it seems Eddings always does) reincarnations of the Belgariad-cast, switched around, making Silk&#8217;s personality into Belgarion&#8217;s story-function and Polgara into a goddess but otherwise keeping her the same and so on and so forth.</p>
<p>A lot of the same goes for the Elenium/Tamuil-series, but at least there there was some sense of an actual enemy and the cast couldn&#8217;t just keep time-skipping out of any amount of threat. The reason I like the Mallorean is simply because I much prefer reading about the original cast of the Belgariad than reading about them in poorly concealed shuffled reincarnations, and I feel it by virtue of being in the same world needs less distinctiveness to feel like it adds something. I mean, the plot of the Mallorean literally builds on the Belgariad, which, despite the many similarities, I find to be far better than simply copying it like Eddings&#8217; other worlds and series&#8217; do.</p>
<p>As for Moon, I never meant to imply she was similar to Eddings. I just mentioned her here when I thought of her because it was his last literature-related post.</p>
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		<title>By: cryonic</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/666#comment-5313</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mallorean is basically a rewrite with the same characters appearing under different names and the content being the exploration of the characters. As the characters are 'reused'  it felt amusing but fairly empty. 

Same for his other series the Elenium and its sequel series. He is a fantastic character writer but the stand alone books of his are far better crafted. 

Althalas the thief is also good. 

The Elizabeth moon books arent really comparable. Apart form the fact they are fantasy they arent similar at all. Also they arent character driven in the same way. The Paksenarrion books and the prequel 'Gid' books are essentially the equivalent of biblical tales of warrior saints. They have well structured, youth, adulthood, sacfrifice sequences. It really puts them a long way away from most of Eddings stuff. 

Both good though. I have a limited appetite for Eddings these days, the prose is excellent but Id like a little action now and again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mallorean is basically a rewrite with the same characters appearing under different names and the content being the exploration of the characters. As the characters are &#8216;reused&#8217;  it felt amusing but fairly empty. </p>
<p>Same for his other series the Elenium and its sequel series. He is a fantastic character writer but the stand alone books of his are far better crafted. </p>
<p>Althalas the thief is also good. </p>
<p>The Elizabeth moon books arent really comparable. Apart form the fact they are fantasy they arent similar at all. Also they arent character driven in the same way. The Paksenarrion books and the prequel &#8216;Gid&#8217; books are essentially the equivalent of biblical tales of warrior saints. They have well structured, youth, adulthood, sacfrifice sequences. It really puts them a long way away from most of Eddings stuff. </p>
<p>Both good though. I have a limited appetite for Eddings these days, the prose is excellent but Id like a little action now and again.</p>
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		<title>By: Loki</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/666#comment-5309</link>
		<dc:creator>Loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started thinking - have you ever read "The Deed of Paksenarrion" by Elizabeth Moon? I loved the first two books when I was a teenager, but I seem to recall the third one shared a lot of the kind of problems the third Riftwar-book suffers from. But the first two, and maybe especially the very first one, was very refreshing to me back then. Instead of following a hero on a quest we follow a young woman joining an army of mercenaries. As I experienced it Way Back When I thought the description of the training she went through, etc, was very well and convincingly done - I might think otherwise now, but... Anyway, I suddenly started thinking about it. I think you might enjoy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started thinking - have you ever read &#8220;The Deed of Paksenarrion&#8221; by Elizabeth Moon? I loved the first two books when I was a teenager, but I seem to recall the third one shared a lot of the kind of problems the third Riftwar-book suffers from. But the first two, and maybe especially the very first one, was very refreshing to me back then. Instead of following a hero on a quest we follow a young woman joining an army of mercenaries. As I experienced it Way Back When I thought the description of the training she went through, etc, was very well and convincingly done - I might think otherwise now, but&#8230; Anyway, I suddenly started thinking about it. I think you might enjoy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Loki</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/666#comment-5305</link>
		<dc:creator>Loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They're very much like the Belgariad. Though, ironically, of all the Eddings-stuff I've read, his other books about the cast of the Belgariad are the ones the least resembling the Belgariad. I mean, it resembles a lot, but not nearly as much as "The Redemption of Althalus" or the "Elenium" and "Tamuil"-series do... Or at least it's not as painfuly obvious all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re very much like the Belgariad. Though, ironically, of all the Eddings-stuff I&#8217;ve read, his other books about the cast of the Belgariad are the ones the least resembling the Belgariad. I mean, it resembles a lot, but not nearly as much as &#8220;The Redemption of Althalus&#8221; or the &#8220;Elenium&#8221; and &#8220;Tamuil&#8221;-series do&#8230; Or at least it&#8217;s not as painfuly obvious all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dread Pirate Terje</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too! :D

And I probably will check the sequels out some time "soon", because if they're anything like The Belgariad, I ought to be able to finish them all in about two weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too! <img src='http://natsecorma.net/terje/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I probably will check the sequels out some time &#8220;soon&#8221;, because if they&#8217;re anything like The Belgariad, I ought to be able to finish them all in about two weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Loki</title>
		<link>http://natsecorma.net/terje/archives/666#comment-5296</link>
		<dc:creator>Loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Errand and the mentioned chief eunuch is used a lot in the Mallorean, so good that you like it. It also features Beldin's Nemesis (the third disciple of Torak, seeing as Belgarath monopolized the other two in the first series) and 'Zakath is obviously used way more as The Mallorean (as the name reveals) take place mainly on his continent. (The world of Garion has two (known) continents, and each series basically explores one of them)

I think that, after your read the Mallorean, you would appreciate checking out the two pre/sequels, "Belgarath The Sorcreror" and "Polgara the Sorceress", told in first-person-viewpoint by the respective titular characters. I found these books to be better in many respects than the two main series, maybe due to the lack of an overarching Quest-like clichè with the plot. They're both set in a frame-story taking place after The Mallorean, though, and thus can't be read before it without spoiling it heavily. (And The Mallorean is far more easily damaged by spoilers than The Belgariad is)

Glad you liked it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errand and the mentioned chief eunuch is used a lot in the Mallorean, so good that you like it. It also features Beldin&#8217;s Nemesis (the third disciple of Torak, seeing as Belgarath monopolized the other two in the first series) and &#8216;Zakath is obviously used way more as The Mallorean (as the name reveals) take place mainly on his continent. (The world of Garion has two (known) continents, and each series basically explores one of them)</p>
<p>I think that, after your read the Mallorean, you would appreciate checking out the two pre/sequels, &#8220;Belgarath The Sorcreror&#8221; and &#8220;Polgara the Sorceress&#8221;, told in first-person-viewpoint by the respective titular characters. I found these books to be better in many respects than the two main series, maybe due to the lack of an overarching Quest-like clichè with the plot. They&#8217;re both set in a frame-story taking place after The Mallorean, though, and thus can&#8217;t be read before it without spoiling it heavily. (And The Mallorean is far more easily damaged by spoilers than The Belgariad is)</p>
<p>Glad you liked it!</p>
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