2nd lecture — The Punic Wars: From Village to Mediterranean Empire.
(This post is based on a lecture held by Jan Frode Hatlen at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology on August 28 2008. However, any factual errors in the text is strictly my responsibility.)
Rome “as we know it” — that is, Rome the way it has been portrayed primarily in movies, as a sprawling city with massive marble buildings — started to come into being at the time when Rome became a great power, approximately from the Punic Wars and onwards (264-241, 218-201 and 149-146 BCE).
The city that became an empire did of course start out as a village. This village was located at a crossroads of sorts, where the Tiber — a navigable river, although difficult to sail — was crossed by an old salt trade path. As a consequence there was some trade in the area, and the area was inhabited by a fairly large number of tribes from the hills along the Tiber. Rome itself — according to the myth founded by and named after Romulus in 753 BCE, after he had murdered his brother Remulus, who had wanted to found the city of Rema on the Palatine Hill — was at this time a village with an economy based on herding. Archaeological digs in Rome have for example uncovered remains of livestock enclosures and a hill fort in which the inhabitants of the surrounding area could seek refuge from hostile raiders. Taking into account the significant number of tribes in the area, it seems likely that this was far from a rare occurrence, as the tribes fought over the region’s resources.
This kind of rivalry between tribes or burgeoning city states was very common in the Mediterranean region. What made the Romans — who from the earliest times were a mixed people, consisting of people from several tribes — stand out, was how well they handled warfare, and how they in fact thrived on it. War was very common under these conditions, and in for example Greece waging war almost evolved into a sport, where the city states would agree to meet then and there (always a flat field; the Greek tactic of hoplites fighting in a phalanx formation didn’t work very well in more rugged terrain) to fight for this or that plot of land. In Italy, on the other hand, war soon started to be about dominance. In time, Rome would come to dominate the entire peninsula, after having defeated such peoples, leagues and alliances as the Veiians (the hereditary enemies of the Romans), the Samnites (who occupied the south end of the Apennines, and united in the Samnian League, which proved difficult for the Romans to defeat), the Latins (who soon became indistinguishable from the Romans) and the inhabitants of Tarentum (one of the largest cities in Italy at the time). In this struggle for dominance, the Roman system of alliances proved decisive.
The Alliance System and the Pyrrhic Wars.
As Roman influence and power grew, they started to tie defeated cities and peoples to them. Through a system where the Romans gave rights to their former enemies and soon-to-be allies and in turn expected return favours, Roman dominance was further expanded. There were two main forms of citizenship that the Romans could choose to bestow upon a defeated people. The first, and the least common to be given, was the cives romani — by which the chosen people received the rights of Roman citizens, including the right to vote and to run for elections. However, this was (almost?) never given to a defeated enemy during the expansion in Italy, and pretty much only applied to the population of Rome itself as well as to people living in some Roman colonies. These colonies also had a very weak political independence from Rome. The second, and most common, was the civitas romani sine suffragio — the rights of a Roman citizen without the right to vote. Cities and peoples given this status were much more independent, self-governed. Their inhabitants had the right to trade with and marry Romans, the right to appeal to Roman courts (although why they’d want to bother if they didn’t have any friends in the city, is a different matter entirely), and limited political rights. This was a two-way system, where less influence over internal Roman affairs meant more self-government for the ally — thus making citizenship something to strive to avoid for a city, as it would entail Roman governorship.
However, and most importantly for the Roman expansion, every ally had a duty of supplying troops whenever Rome required them to. By the third century BCE, Italy had been turned into a machine of mobilization for Rome, something which came in handy in 280 BCE, when Rome came into conflict with Tarentum. Before and at the outbreak of war, Tarentum was a city which had developed from a Greek colony. It was democratic and relatively pacifistic (to the extent that the term makes any sense at this time), so it invited the more militaristic king Pyrrhus of Piraeus to come from Greece and defend them. Pyrrhus beat the Romans twice, in humongous battles in which the Roman forces were wiped out. However, Pyrrhus’ forces also took heavy casualties, and while the Romans were able to raise a third large army due to its alliance system, Pyrrhus was unable to raise any more troops, and Tarentum was subsequently defeated and made an ally.
The First Punic War (264-241 BCE)
The Pyrrhis War brought Rome into direct contact with the Carthaginians, a Semitic people originally from Phoenicia, in today’s Lebanon, which had spread to today’s Maghreb a few centuries earlier, where they had established the city of Carthage (meaning “the new city” in Carthaginian) on a site just outside today’s Tunis. The Carthaginians were crafty merchants and skilled sailors, had been allies (in a more modern, equal meaning of the word) of the Romans for example during the Pyrrhic War, and had a fairly large system of colonies and subjugated cities in the western Mediterranean, but were now coming into conflict with the Romans. The Pyrrhic War had given Rome control over southern Italy, which became a problem as Sicily was Carthaginian sphere of influence. An incident in the Sicilian city of Messina brought the two city state semi-empires into armed conflict with each other. The Carthaginians envisioned a short, not too intense war, primarily fought at sea, although the Romans didn’t have a navy. This last point was mitigated during the war, however, and the Romans’ alliance system in tandem with the device referred to as a corvus helped them endure during the earliest stages of the war, until they started mastering more traditional naval combat.
In addition to the creation of the Roman navy, the results of the First Punic War include the expansion of Roman dominance to Sicily and Sardinia, as well as the office of the promagistrate. The promagistrates weren’t elected, but chosen by the Senate, and it wasn’t a public office, but one with military authority of an extended duration. The extended duration came as a consequence of the larger distances involved in the First Punic War, as compared to earlier conflicts.
The Second Punic War (218-201 BCE)
The First Punic War drove the Carthaginians out of Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica. This caused them to look for other places to settle, and they soon turned to Spain. They made alliances with local city states on the Iberian Peninsula, and their power and influence increased. This made the Romans worry, which caused the Carthaginians to agree to a treaty by which they were obliged to stay on separate sides of the Ebro river. Through various circumstances, the two broke the treaty, and the Carthaginian general Hannibal subsequently crossed the Alps into Italy with his army in 217 BCE. Here he defeated pretty much anything the Romans threw at him, massacring their armies most famously (or infamously, if you’re a Roman) at Lake Trasimene and Cannae. He stayed in Italy for most of the rest of the war, forcing perhaps as many as 40 per cent of Rome’s allies to join him, but the other Carthaginian commanders weren’t as successful, and when they were the Romans were able to mobilise new armies from their remaining allies, something the Carthaginians didn’t have the opportunity to do, as their military was still based on the service of their own citizens, like most other Ancient city states. When in addition the Carthaginians were unable to reinforce Hannibal’s armies and the Roman general Scipio took the battle to Spain and later Africa, Hannibal’s presence in Italy proved a nuisance to the Romans, as he prevented them from mobilising all of Italy against the Carthaginians, but he was unable to deal the Romans a fatal blow, and was finally recalled to Africa when Scipio landed there with his legions. Just like Hannibal had known that to beat the Romans, you have to take Italy, Scipio had realized that he should beat Hannibal in Africa.
After Scipio had defeated Hannibal and the Carthaginians in the battle of Zama in 202 BCE, the war pretty much ended with a total Roman victory. The size of the Roman army had increased dramatically as a result of Roman demands for more men from their allies, and that the troops should serve for longer periods of time. The prestige of the Senate and the generals also increased, especially that of Scipio. It was no longer the collective that is in the focus after a victory, but high ranking individuals, and the end of the Second Punic War marks the beginning of the period when the power of the Senate was at its apex, a period which lasted for approximately 100-120 years.
As for the Third Punic War (149-146 BCE), it was strictly speaking not so much a war as it was a Roman campaign to eradicate the rather puny (hehehe) remains of Carthage; a campaign which was, to exaggerate, initiated by Cato the Elder’s “Praeterea Censeo Carthaginem esse Delendam” and concluding with the Roman annexation of Carthage’s African territories andthe creation of the province of Africa.
The Macedonian Wars.
The Macedonian Wars took place during and were part of the Punic Wars. Philip V of Macedonia had allied with Hannibal and promised military support, but while the Macedonians remained a cause of Roman unrest through three wars, Philip never had the charisma of Hannibal, and his kingdom never became a serious threat. However, after the Third Macedonian War (172-168 BCE) the Romans realized that the area needed to be stabilized by a permanent Roman military presence. Prior to this the Romans hadn’t annexed their conquered foes — they didn’t own their allies, for example — but merely dominated them while they retained much of their freedom. From the second century BCE, though, the Romans began annexing peoples they defeated, and install governors.
Social Factors in the Expansion of the Roman Empire. Romanization.
During the second century BCE, the Roman Empire became an empire of a magnitude hitherto unprecedented in known history (according to the lecturer; I have a feeling such entities as the Persian Empire could have competed with the Roman, at least in regards to quantity — I’m less sure of the qualitative side of things). It had a humungous army, which required enormous quantities of food every day. For the needs of the army to be satisfied, it was required that peace and order was maintained, and that roads and ports were constructed, so that taxes could flow freely to Rome and the economic life necessary to raise taxes was kept intact. Parts of the taxes were “invested” (it is contested whether or not the Romans thought of economy in the same way as we do; Bjørn Qviller (1999) claimed they didn’t, while Lomas (2004) maintain they did, to a certain extent (just to choose a couple of texts NTNU students, at least, ought to be familiar with)) in infrastructure, which increased the potential productivity, which in turn caused tax income to increase.
The Romans also culturally infiltrated the elites of neighbouring and conquered peoples. Some examples can be how British and Gallic chieftains wore togas, and Asian and African kings gave their children Roman names. This prepared the ground for Roman invasion and occupation, as a lack of local elites to lead the resistance against an invading Roman army could cause that resistance never to appear. And why should the elites fight people whom they admired and wanted to emulate as much as possible? I think it was Plutarch, but it could just as well have been Tacitus or someone else entirely, who remarked about these kinds of elites that they believed themselves free, but they were really slaves. Obviously, though, it was primarily the elite that was the target for and object of Romanization. Commoners kept their own culture to a much larger extent, and although they of course didn’t go completely unaffected, local pre-Roman languages survived in for example Gaul until the fifth or sixth century CE, when they melted together with Latin into the forefathers of today’s languages.
Political Structures and Developments in Rome.
Very simply, the development in Rome’s political system up until the civil wars can be drawn up as following:
It began with the founding of the city by Romulus in 753 BCE (seeing as this is as convenient starting point as any other). The city then came under the domination of Etruscan kings, until Brutus “the Elder” happened to them in 589 BCE (again, because myths are convenient to remember things by). The new society after the kings was ruled by a council of elders, or a Senate, a typical thing for a city state. As the city expanded, though, a more complex system of administration was needed, and new positions and assemblies were established, such as the Consilium Plebis (which could make laws named plebsciit, as opposed to those passed by the Senate, the lex), the censors, the quaestors, etc. The expansion also brought with it more and more slaves to the city, and as these were freed, a large element without any attachment to the political culture of Rome was created and given political influence. This paved the ground for increased political strife between the magnates, and in turn for the Civil Wars.
Polybius, who lived in the second century BCE, created the following idealized model of the Roman political system, where elements of democracy (the comitia and consilium), monarchy (the officials) and oligarchy (the Senate) are combined in a mixed constitution, which Polybius used to explain the success of the Roman Empire.
(Because of some copyright issues, I had to remove the models.)
For the last ten years or so of the Roman Republic, the following model of the hierarchy of Roman assemblies and official posts is more or less accurate:
(Because of some copyright issues, I had to remove the models.)

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The start-up of the alliance system, the break-out of the First and Second Punic Wars as well as the Roman political system was very detailed, and subsequently dumbed down a bit here, but if anyone feels the urge to expand some on it, feel free.
2. September 2008 @ 21:45 ( Permalink )
I take it that comment was aimed on me? Sorry, but my knowledge of stuff before, well, Caesar, is relatively generalised and I’m not too strong on the details.
The corvus is so funny. “We don’t know how to fight with boat-thingies, so let’s just climb over to their boat-thingies and fight them as if on land.”
“an empire of a magnitude hitherto unprecedented in known history (according to the lecturer; ”
*coughalexanderthegreatcough* And, as you say, very likely Persia and several others.
“I think it was Plutarch, but it could just as well have been Tacitus or someone else entirely, who remarked about these kinds of elites that they believed themselves free, but they were really slaves.”
Certainly _sounds_ like Plutarch, even if it might have been someone else.
“Rome “as we know it” — that is, Rome the way it has been portrayed primarily in movies, as a sprawling city with massive marble buildings — started to come into being at the time when Rome became a great power, approximately from the Punic Wars and onwards”
I do believe it didn’t really get any big amounts of the pretty marble until Augustus’ time. Cæsar had plans, but they never had time to come to frutation, and before that, the city looked anything but grand as far as I’ve been told. Augustus was thus (obviously) rather proud of how he “left the city clad in marble” or whatever he said.
The second of your two illustrations, I have to say, is much more confusing than helpful. I dare say I know this stuff rather well, and I had to look at it for a good while before I felt I’d figured out the logic of it. The first one, however, looks pretty good. Consilium Plebs, by the way, is as far as I recall just about the exact same thing as the Comitia Tributa, only without patricians present and gathered not by a consul or praetor, but by a people’s tribune. Simplifying it down into the two “actually different” gatherings there actually were helped me a lot when I tried to learn this, so I figured in case you didn’t know, I’d mention it.
Thanks again for posting these. It’s awesome repetition.
2. September 2008 @ 22:41 ( Permalink )
“I take it that comment was aimed on me?”
Not really. I posted a link to these things in the discussion forum at the course’s page on NTNU’s internet-learning-intranet-thingy, almost begging people to correct me. But if you’d been able to help, that’d been swell, too.
“The corvus is so funny. “We don’t know how to fight with boat-thingies, so let’s just climb over to their boat-thingies and fight them as if on land.””
Yeah. My favourite thing about them, though, is the name. Not only is the raven an undescribably cool animal, but “kårvos” just sounds immensely cool, too. (I miss the phonetic alphabet… ;_;)
“*coughalexanderthegreatcough* And, as you say, very likely Persia and several others.”
Nah, I get why Alexander’s “empire” wasn’t mentioned. Granted, it was riduculously huge, geographically speaking, second only to Djengis Khan’s “empire” and the Soviet Union. But it lacked the cohesion, the quality, the strength, the integration, of the Roman Empire. My knowledge of other Ancient empires is re-he-eally sparse, but from what I do know, I know that the Persian one could have competed with the Roman one in territory and population — stretching as it did from the Oxus/Oxys (or whatever) river in the east, close to modern Kazakhstan, to Mesopotamia, and sometimes even to Ephesus and the Nile. Unfortunately, my knowledge of the Persian empire is pretty much limited to the period from the Persian Wars of the Byzantine Empire to the Arab/Muslim conquest (about 200 years or so, from ca. 400 to 650 BCE)), and while that day and age’s Persia possibly (after all, this is the same empire that went toe to toe with the amputated Roman Empire that was Byzantium and gave as good as it got) could compete with the Roman Empire in terms of control of their territory, I have few ideas about what Persia was like prior to this. And seeing as it was founded in 550 BCE, when they won their independence from the Medeans, this is a pretty large gap in my knowledge…
“Certainly _sounds_ like Plutarch, even if it might have been someone else.”
I’m leaning more towards Tacitus; the speaker was speaking of barbarians in northern, north western Europe, so I’m constantly thinking about Tacitus’ work on Germania.
“I do believe it didn’t really get any big amounts of the pretty marble until Augustus’ time. Cæsar had plans, but they never had time to come to frutation, and before that, the city looked anything but grand as far as I’ve been told. Augustus was thus (obviously) rather proud of how he “left the city clad in marble” or whatever he said.”
Discrediting of the self-aggrandizing statements of de facto dictators aside, I don’t really agree with what you’re saying. Nothing I can remember having read or heard mentions a lot of marble in pre-caesarean Rome, either, but I can distinctly remember having read in one of this course’s pensum texts that Rome got its first marble-covered building around 250 BCE or something like that (possibly about a century later, though; I think I’ve made it to the chapter on Cleopatra in the course’s main textbook), and that others started popping up here and there after that. But hey, I REALLY don’t know, so you clearifying and offering alternative (and probably more correct) views is just awesome.
“The second of your two illustrations, I have to say, is much more confusing than helpful.”
Yeah, I don’t like it, either. I’ve always been of the opinion that illustrations, especially of models, should be as self-explanatory as possible. And I don’t get this one, even though it’s not many months since I read an article by Ingvar Mæhle in the rather good magazine “Historie” where he compared Polybius’ model of Roman politics to that of Cicero, all the while making paralells to modern research and, interestingly enough, the ideals of the American Founding Fathers.
Anyway, I’m guessing that Roman Republican politics will be expanded on a bit more in later lectures, and that I won’t have to buy and read Jørgen C. Meyer’s book before the exam. (Because Qviller? Not very good at this stuff, if I remember correctly.)
3. September 2008 @ 00:07 ( Permalink )
I haven’t read any Tacitus, but quite a bit Plutarch, and the “on the one hand, but on the other”-type of comment with a moral judgement in tow seems very much like him. I think. Then again, what do I know.
As for the marble, I can’t seem to summon interest in the topic, so I only know what I seem to remember from lectures, which is a stressing of how Rome didn’t look like much until Augustus spent a god’s ransom shining it up.’
Mæhle, huh, funny you should mention him, he’s running the little seminar I should be in bed for being rested for tomorrow soon this term.
As for Alexander, I’m hardly knowledgable at all on the subject, but it’s been my impression that he superimposed his own rule on top of the Persian system already in place, and thus had a lot of infrastructure for free. The “hellenism” spreading after his conquests is a fact, so the cultural spread it caused must have been at least palpable if maybe not considerable at first, and the reason his empire crumbled after his death was in-fighting among the Greek elite, not structural issues. There’s also the Quin Dynasty in China that could possibly be competative, but I have no idea of the geographical sizes and population sizes that would need comparing. It might have been greatly smaller for all I know.
3. September 2008 @ 01:38 ( Permalink )
“Mæhle, huh, funny you should mention him, he’s running the little seminar I should be in bed for being rested for tomorrow soon this term.”
Possibly the worst sentence ever.
Retry:
Mæhle, huh, funny you should mention him, he is this term running the seminar I have tomorrow and should be in bed resting for right now.
3. September 2008 @ 01:40 ( Permalink )
I actually made it there on time, if barely, and this in spite of a late bus. Yay me! It was pretty interesting, actually, ’cause it was to feedback a very general disposition on the romanization of Britain, of which I know nothing except what might be learned from reading Asterix, and so I got all this fancy new information from listening to them. ^^
3. September 2008 @ 10:18 ( Permalink )
“As for the marble, I can’t seem to summon interest in the topic, so I only know what I seem to remember from lectures, which is a stressing of how Rome didn’t look like much until Augustus spent a god’s ransom shining it up.”
It’s not really important at all, so yeah.
“As for Alexander, I’m hardly knowledgable at all on the subject, but it’s been my impression that he superimposed his own rule on top of the Persian system already in place, and thus had a lot of infrastructure for free. The “hellenism” spreading after his conquests is a fact, so the cultural spread it caused must have been at least palpable if maybe not considerable at first, and the reason his empire crumbled after his death was in-fighting among the Greek elite, not structural issues.”
Unless, of course, you see the lack of a orderly means of succession as a structural deficiency. I’d bde inclined towards doing so, though, if it weren’t for the fact that orderly mechanisms of succession is something that hardly existed before the sixteenth century or so, and in many cases not even then.
Still, I don’t regard Alexander’s conquests as constituting an empire, in part because it broke into so many pieces so quickly. The whole Hellenism thing was of course an enduring element in the Mediterranean region which was more or less caused (or in the very least helped substantially) by his conquests and successor kingdoms, and many of said successor kingdoms endured until they were absorbed by the Roman Empire a couple hundred years later. It was empire-ish, sure, but most of his conquests, excepting Egypt, Asia, Greece and the area between the Mediterranean and the Euphrates, were extremely short-lived and seems to have served more as grounds for campaigns and a near insatiable curiosity or ambition or power hunger or whatever else Alexander’s driving urge could have been, rather than the desire to properly control the areas he conquered. Of course, even if this was an actually point — which it probably isn’t, seeing as I don’t really know much more about it than what I have said here — it would still be moot, seeing as Alexander was 33 or something when he died, and that he was poisoned, if my memory serves me correctly. (It’s been at least ten or twelve years since I gave the issue much attention, though.)
“There’s also the Quin Dynasty in China that could possibly be competative, but I have no idea of the geographical sizes and population sizes that would need comparing. It might have been greatly smaller for all I know.”
Yeah, the Chinese dynasties were among the ones I were thinking of when I first mentioned the Persians “and others” (or something to that effect), but I only know what little I read about them in a historical atlas last year, so I decided to remain silent.
“Possibly the worst sentence ever.
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Agreed.
Also, glad that you had an interesting seminar.
3. September 2008 @ 12:16 ( Permalink )
“Unless, of course, you see the lack of a orderly means of succession as a structural deficiency. I’d be inclined towards doing so, though, if it weren’t for the fact that orderly mechanisms of succession is something that hardly existed before the sixteenth century or so, and in many cases not even then.”
Orderly means of succession without a blood heir created civil wars in the Roman empire, too, so while I see your point, I don’t feel convinced it makes your case solid enough to buy into.
“Yeah, the Chinese dynasties were among the ones I were thinking of when I first mentioned the Persians “and others” (or something to that effect), but I only know what little I read about them in a historical atlas last year, so I decided to remain silent.”
I know even less, but the Internet is a wonderful - albeit somewhat retarded - thing. ^^
“Also, glad that you had an interesting seminar. ”
Thanks. I loathe them. I never have anything to say despite feeling like I should, but they’re often interesting so I want to attend anyway. (There’s also the whole “should attend regularly so I don’t look like a leech whenever I have something to present for feedback myself”-thing) And when I DO have something to say, I get so self-conscious I either don’t, or I blabber it out half-incoherently if I actually do. Sigh. I abhor situations where you’re sitting around a table. Auditoriums are much nicer, at least there you don’t feel like every eye in the room is on you when you’re wasting their time.
3. September 2008 @ 13:18 ( Permalink )
“I don’t feel convinced it makes your case solid enough to buy into.”
I hardly do so myself.
3. September 2008 @ 15:08 ( Permalink )
Interesting blog you have here Terje. Thought I would shoot in a couple of comments on that all time favourite subject of “Greatest empire”. In geographical size the Indonesians win flat out. As for inland empire you already mentioned it: The great Khanate.
Martin out (Though I suspect I will be back)
4. September 2008 @ 18:53 ( Permalink )
There was an EMPIRE in Indonesia before the 200s BC?
Or did you just mean at any point in history? (I’d even so be interested, as I’ve not heard of an empire in Indonesia ever)
4. September 2008 @ 21:41 ( Permalink )
Indonesians? I’m unfamiliar with their empire, but assume they must have colonized or conquered a lot of islands and coastal regions, and that the oceans between these is counted as part of the territory of the empire? If so, that would be… let’s just say unconventional, and that the Portugese or Spanish would probably claim that in that event, they owned the Atlantic Ocean for a while, just to mention an example. Another would be the Japanese during the height of their power in the Pacific in the, ehem, early 40s, the Dutch, the English, and so on…
Nice to see you around, by the way.
4. September 2008 @ 22:57 ( Permalink )
To the subject of orderly succession: The american scholar Elizabeth Vandiver uses an effective two step “good empereror” test along the following lines:
1: Does not spend in excess of his means.
2: Makes sure the succession proceeds in an orderly fashion.
As to 1): the “state economy” of the Roman empire is too complex a topic too discuss satisfactory within reader-friendly limits. Suffice to say than in practice (during the Empire era) there is little difference between the emperor`s houshold and “state founds”.
As to 2): An excellent introduction into this topic is to read up on the transition between emperors Marcus Aurelius and Commodus (180 CE) and consequently the end of “Rome`s Golden age”.
I apologize for the amount of quotation marks, but see no other way to avoid perpetrating several anachronisms.
5. September 2008 @ 17:21 ( Permalink )
Concerning 2): Although several other examples exists, as to contemporary handling and understanding of the problem of succession, the tetrarchy scheme proposed by Diocletian around 300 CE stands out as the clearest.
5. September 2008 @ 18:38 ( Permalink )
Clever, posting interesting posts to keep us from noticing that you’re completely keeping us in the dark on the whole Indonesian Empire-thing. (I myself am for one totally fooled)
” there is little difference between the emperor`s houshold and “state founds”.”
The blending started with Augustus, of course, even I know that, but do you know when the final actual lines were basically erased? I’d be interested if it was as early as Tiberius or maybe several generations later.
“An excellent introduction into this topic is to read up on the transition between emperors Marcus Aurelius and Commodus (180 CE) and consequently the end of “Rome`s Golden age”.”
Nice suggestion. Any suggested literature?
5. September 2008 @ 23:23 ( Permalink )
Concerning the “Indonesian Empire thing”: It was refered to in the NRK P2 program post “Ut i verden” by Jens A. Riisnæs some time this year. Although Mr. Riisnæs is exceptionally informed on a wide range of subjects I have failed miserably in finding information about the before mentioned empire in a casual search. In keeping with the theme of this blog (Roman history) I hereby cede the point.
7. September 2008 @ 08:19 ( Permalink )
Concerning “economics”: As previously hinted I consider the subject a messy one, but also at times posetively hilarious. The classification of ancient economy (as maintained at the Cato institute for example) in “liberal”, “socialist” or “beaurocratic” categories is in my view utterly bunk and anachronistic.
As a beginners approach I have instead chosen to focus on the physical treasure chest (or chests) and in this perspective Octavian is indeed important (division between Aerarium, Aerarium militare and Fiscus).
To stipulate an answer to Lokis` question: There seems to be a De Jure dividing line between “the different chests” as late as 180 CE (Cass. Dio 71.33) Cassius Dio incidentally also covers the transition Marcus Aurelius-Commodus in books 71 through 73.
7. September 2008 @ 08:55 ( Permalink )
Thanks. ^^ Maybe one day I’ll have the time and energy to check that out.
7. September 2008 @ 11:31 ( Permalink )
Dont miss out on Emperor Marcus Aurelius own “Meditations” if you are not already familiar with the work. Short summary: rather short on names and dates, but proportionally rich on profound insight and reflection.
The standard work on “the golden age” is of course Gibbons, which also includes the most juicy speculations concerning Faustina (although he rather presents these as undeniable fact).
7. September 2008 @ 11:54 ( Permalink )
I’ve got a couple of the last biographies of Suetonius’ left to read, as well as a only half-finished Pinguin paperback with a selection of Plutarch’s Roman biographies, and I started Caesar’s Conquest of Gaul this summer. Add to that Polybius sitting unopened in my shelf somewhere and a need for a re-read of Cicero’s Nature of the Gods for my master’s thesis this fall, it’s a while before I’ll get to the point where I can invest time (or money) in more Roman history, but I’ll make sure to make Meditations a priority the second I get there. Thanks for the recommendation.
7. September 2008 @ 15:22 ( Permalink )
“The classification of ancient economy (as maintained at the Cato institute for example) in “liberal”, “socialist” or “beaurocratic” categories is in my view utterly bunk and anachronistic.”
Isn’t the whole Cato Institute pretty much “utterly bunk” in most academic contexts?
My antagonism aganist Libertarians aside, though, the case for applying such labels as “socialist”, “liberalist” or “bureaucratic” to the Ancient world could of course be made, for example by creating an ideal type of what constitutes “socialist”, and then seeing how it fit. I’m not necessarily saying it would work well, but it could work as a theoretical approach.
“Dont miss out on Emperor Marcus Aurelius own “Meditations” if you are not already familiar with the work. Short summary: rather short on names and dates, but proportionally rich on profound insight and reflection.”
I’ve got two works of Roman philosophy (possibly three, when I come to think of it) on my to-buy/to-read list: Marcus Aurelius’ “Meditations”, and Boethius’ “The Consolation of Philosophy” — both of which are, as far as I’ve been able to gather, considered the seminal works of Roman Stoicism. (The potential third is of course Lucretius’ “On the Nature of Things” (De Res Natura, I think), a long epic poem (pleonasm, eh?) based on the proto-/semi-atheist philosophy of the Epicureans.)
15. September 2008 @ 11:01 ( Permalink )